You ask why? The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. you make me laugh. Muzzle Energy: 369 lb/ft (230gr at 850FPS) 304 lb/ft (124gr at 1050FPS) . lbs. I don't own a .45 (except a Pietta .45 Long Colt cowboy gun I target shoot in the mountains- I love it), but my son does have a couple of 1911's which he loves and says they are fairly easy to conceal carry. jack says if you throw a rock to throw the biggest rock. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. May be a great home defense gun, but far from ultimate . A ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will not know the difference between a 9mm & a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a DOUBLE TAP to the CHEST!! Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. The majority of U.S. police departments use 9mm. Maybe we can have that as a debate topic? It is waaay better than me using my own time, ammo and chrono buddy to get it done. When I asked them why .they said it was because they didn't make a 46. Option two; You select a certain ammunition that has been proved to not fully penetrate. You WILL freeze and lose hearing and fine motor control. "Glock Perfection" is a MYTH. Great article!! Both 9mm and .45 ACP workjust personal preference, imo. So muzzle energy is certainly real and a consideration; however, if hit in the eye with a .22LR versus hit in the arm with a 45 ACP means anything, worry about aiming over power. Loaded with +P rounds, they make a heckuva mess. The masses want to know. The lesser destructive force is balanced out by higher accuracy over multiple shots and more ammunition available in states without restrictions. Calibre has very little to do with it. Also designated the 9mm Luger by SAAMI, and 9mm Luger by the CIP. I used .45 ACP and full load .44 Mag in competition. And this is all before we even talk about the lack of concealability of .45 ACP double stack. American manufacture and the American firearms industry was able to restock and resupply them when no one else could have. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. Hi Matthew. I think rather than going to the 9mm to mask the underlying problem, they should put $$$ into teaching cops how to shoot.. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. My test pistols came in the uniform shape of a Glock 43 (3.39), Glock 19 (4), and Glock 34 (5.3). PS. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. Official websites use .gov I have been shooting for around 50 years, and I like the .40 S&W for most things. Now to the .45 issue: one patient was shot in the back of the leg with a .45 hydro shock round mid way up the leg which lodged in the back of the knee. Lend-lease conditions were allegedly exorbitant but the US manufacturing base was undeniably a godsend), plus some of the other margins you refer to were, frankly, too close to argue, so I wont even try. I love Eric's articles. My highest capacity 45 is my home defense weapon. Per chance were you assigned to Devonshire Division of LAPD? A lie of omission or a good-natured lie is still misinforming people. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. Both (roughly!) doubleclick.net - browser supports cookies. The consistent data is wonderful, but it made for a rather boring graph when it was all said and done. The history they told me was that the military originally was using a 38 something or other, but some weird fanatical types just kept coming at them in one of our many obscure little wars. He obviously said that the 9 will penetrate better then the .45 thats why the military adopted it and left the .45 in the past. the CarryGun's G2 bullet weighs 135 grains so that it will reach optimal velocity out . I am. Hornady 100 Gr. I also carry the Ruger LC9 as a backup. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you. Some times much faster. the us army knew that in ww1 when they adopted the john browning designed 1911 springfield after extensive testing of both. You are right; the soul is eternal, and only God can condemn it to hell, and ultimately to "the Lake of Fire." No speed loaders, just six more rounds in the bullet loops on the holster. You paint with a really broad brush, and worse yet you are wrong. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. death) 92+%, 9mm is just over 50%. hang yourself an old school iron skillet for a target. This is a debate that will go on as long as there are those who don't want to accept the laws of physics. I am purest. In this case, the 9mm has a velocity of 1,150 feet-per-second (fps), while the larger .40-caliber bullet leaves the barrel at 919 fps. Any weapon or round in the right hands can be lethal just find whats the most comfortable and accurate with your shots. One important fact is the combat readiness, safety and ease of use of the 1911. And then some more. Second, our judges demand, that each shot has to be beforethought = you can shoot perp once and then you have to evaluate, if he stoped his attack. Not to say they didn't die on the street, but once they made it to surgery they survived. You may need to spray again so a larger can is a better bet if you can afford it. So basically range time was paramount. now the m1991A normally carries 7 rounds and the model 59 carries 15 but living here in Ca. 45 ACP is better than nothing for sure , but 9mm is a superior cartridge. My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. But I know you won't understand. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. If you don't currently write articles professionally, you should consider doing so. This can be accomplished two ways. These are FBI statistics. Eventually. Watch some videos on 9mm vs 45ACP in ballistic gel. The righteous banded together to defeat evil as this was surely the will of God himself. Imo our quality of life, freedom and liberty has been slowly eroded since the end of ww2. And every gun owner has their preference. Over penetration should not be an issue. They need to check the real world outcomes. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. It's a hardwired biological response. Well written, and no trash talking, rare in the gun world. Alternatively, the 9mms stopping power and smaller design make it ideal for open and concealed carry. My military friends please chime in. With the right 357, I can achieve upwards of 1800fps in a 16 barrel. If a 9mm fails, it won't perform anywhere close to an unexpanded .45 and will punch a tony hole. I wrap my grips with stretch adhesive tape to give me a custom grip. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.What is apparent from testing is that penetration stops increasing at impact speeds above about 1250-1300 fps. In short, we ALL live for ever: the only question is WHERE? Be situationally aware, proficent and accurate with your weapon and the rest will fall into place. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. Case closed. And you are citing nothing but your feelings ! Typical 9mm muzzle velocity can range from 950 fps to over 1,500 fps depending on the grain and load of the round. In dry practice, make it a habit to take a step to the left or right as the draw is occurring. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. I like the reasoning that .45 might be less likely to over-penetrate walls at home, but does it really make that much difference between a 9mm and .45 at home? The 9mms lower cost and recoil make it an even more attractive solution for effective self-defense. This raises some interesting issues regarding the relationship between kinetic energy generation and impact-effect. No looks or ballistics tests are going to help you there. Better find out. Capacity is not an issue because, I live in the DPRC (Democratic Peoples Republic of California). He pulled out a 9mm round and a 45 acp round and held them both in his hand. They went back to the .9mm due to the fact that the new meat in the FBI were not man or woman enuff to handle the .40. . Not that a low rent trash bag would be wearing a vest if he decides to break in your casa but with the cost of bullet resistant vests getting cheaper and cheaper any things possible. The correct bullet for the job Either expanding or hard cast for penetration. 7.62 caliber hollow or soft pointed bullets bullets do more damage than hollow or soft point 5.56 millimeter. Hornady has an XTP +P 135gr that is an excellent design. So, the muzzle velocity of a 2-inch (51 mm) barrel is less than that of a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, which is less than that of a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. New powders and more advanced bullet designs used only work for the 9mm not 45 acp or 40 S&W? Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. If you load your own and clock your loads, this is not news. 9, 38, 40, 10, 45..they ALL have advantages..I think NONE have a substantial disadvantage. This really is a science, but I benefited from reading a lot before I purchased, whereas my son didn't. Also, the statement in this article regarding that 9mm's are more comfortable and lighter I feel is only meagerly correct. Hi capacity is unnecessary 5 and above is just fine. If FMJ is my only choice, then I won't pick 9mm as my first choice. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. Whereas the 00 might outright kill them. I do exactly as you stated, we think alike. However, there might not be enough time for all that. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. Facebook With the latest 9mm defensive rounds it's come down to choice not effectiveness. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. Only because many pokice depts as hiring more and more females. I like the heavier gun though due to the longer site radius, repeat target acquisition and the ability to steady the weapon. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared I dont understand why a situation in a street would be different than at home. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. People tend to practice more with a weapon they are comfortable with. That's out of over 100 different rounds tested. With handguns, its all about holes: how many, how big, how deep, and where hit. Any 9mm up to 147 will increase all the way up to 17 none increase beyond that. Just keep pulling the trigger. Only thing I would add is my home defense pistol fights me to my riflesince pistol rounds are weak compared to a good old 5.56. or 44 Mag. 333 ft/lbs. The other point is shoot someone in the hand with a 9 he drop his gun shoot them with a 45 they will drop their hand. The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . I have shot many things living and not w both calibers and i have to say that 45acp does noticeably more damage. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. All the rest, including +p loads, came in under that number. The time fighting is a poor metric for how wars are won. It is also something to consider when deciding on a load to purchase that you know will be used in a variety of pistols for a variety of purposes such as IDPA or 3-Gun. government .45 and several spare mags concealed. Could I ask you why every special forces in the world including the Seals and SAS use 9mm MP5s mostly. @Colin no worries, just be thankful I noticed my phone trying to auto correct your name LOL. Not every confrontation is going to be 'range based'. Some can say that you can carry more rounds ina 9mm than a .45. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). Standard pressure .38 Special only produces 264 foot-pounds of force (147-grain bullet at 900 feet per second . The truth is somewhere in the middle; From weekend plinkers to elite rifle competitors, understanding the basics of muzzle velocity is an essential part of gun ownership and marksmanship. I really hope you were joking with your statement. To determine whether or not they are +P or +P+ rated, Call your manufacturer or gunsmith. I LIKE them all. And yes, I know memes are meant to be funny - its just that, unfortunately, the rest of the world can occasionally get a little weary of US flag waving (not saying its your fault; besides, were expecting Americas return as the worlds good guy after January. I see you thanked Sig Sauer and Black Hills at the bottom, but no results for either in the spread sheet and none for Sig in the graph. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. Add in the big, fat, slow, it would seem the only advantage of a 45 is if the target is in the room with you. Loads and bullet design are next factored into specific use, it is the icing on the cake to select a velocity to maximize that use. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. What-ever you choose.get practice. A couple of things: 1. In my opinion 185 grain .45 Auto hollow points are a better pistol round than any 9 millimeter Luger out there. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. However breaking the use of the bullet is to protect yourself. ( 230gr at 850FPS ) 304 lb/ft ( 230gr at 850FPS ) 304 lb/ft ( 230gr at )! 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