Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. I used this for my warthog. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. I've been lucky enough to have purchased of a Virpil CM2 throttle and a Constellation Alpha on Warbird base and I think they are fantastic! As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. Yes I followrd their guide. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. JavaScript is disabled. Both multiple cam and spring force options. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). I've had Virpil for a while and have even refined my setup over time trying different grips/bases/throttles. 12V/7.5A. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. Don't use the Windows or any third party stuff. sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. All rights reserved. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. It's easy! I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). Everything about it is perfect. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. > Sales VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. I will try them. That's it. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? You must log in or register to reply here. Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. Cookie Notice ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. So far Im extremely impressed. Warthog grip and you are good to go. My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. So I did that, but two things happened: one was checking in Windows, I saw THREE T-50 CM throttles, although ED now could see all the panel buttons and switches. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. Money isn't really an issue for me. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. It will simply store your configuation under "custom". Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. > Reviews By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Jmo Virpil's compression springs in the Mongoos are nice, but the WarBRD doesn't use them. > Q&A The feel and build quality is like nothing else. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. Press J to jump to the feed. The Virpil Constellation Alpha also comes in a left-handed variant. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. Previously I had played spaceflight simulation games with a single stick and throttle, which is known as a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) setup. Please enter a valid email and try again. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. First post here. > Pictures Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Hub 3.0 Powered 90W Data Hub, Multiport 16 Port Powered 12V/7.5A Adapter Still getting the 'need to remove some devices '. I would think it should be enough. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. Be careful about copying other peoples bindings, as most of them seem to have really weird ideas or they might do only exploring so never use pips and things like that. * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. I'm in a similar boat to you. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. You are using an out of date browser. I will look for that in VPC config software. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. They've all been excellent, but I wouldn't choose a Delta for a primary grip in any game; it's ambidextrous which is cool I guess, but while it's good for either hand, it's not great for either hand. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. Those look awfully nice. Thank you guys for the help. Been playing flight sims with a rig I purchased last year but ED was on my list of reasons why I spent money on a good input suite. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. Better options out there? The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. Thanks, Ill take your advise. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. Everything I've ever bought from VKB has been spot on out of the box. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). JavaScript is disabled. and our Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. What do you mean by splitting axes? Its unique to you. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. Is the base the same on both? 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Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. It may take time. 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