I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque Opinion Mark Wingfield. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. There's some really helpful information in there. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. It just looks weird. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . Ward's father, John Tucker, was also a member of the church who had been informed . And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. God is everywhereeven in the news. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? Period. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? I surrendered to a calling of God. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Find a Church . But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. point taken). His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. Thanks for this. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. Not on Amazon it aint! If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. I have not misrepresented what you said. Each person will answer to God for themselves. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. Finally that book! As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). 1. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. Do you still endorse it? This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. New International Version I find this very revealing. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Have mercy! Simply not true. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Excellent post David. . Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Firstly in the teaching. Really? Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Furtick preaches a different gospel. I know the drill. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. Will you not come and revive us? In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. I dont do stock answers. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. Were deeply grateful for that. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. as there are with me. By the way I got your recommended book. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . rm. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). All rights reserved. complete with standing ovation. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. What a waste of a fantastic talent. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. March 5, 2021 . 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. 2. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). (You can read the follow up five years later! G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? Have mercy! The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). (2Tim. Truth in love. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. If you dont like it, too bad. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! what evidence do you have for that?). In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. You can find the details here. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. 4) Wrong on all counts. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) 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