The kids had two wack jobs for parents. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. 100% agree. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. Which is odd to me again. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. He just didnt want another baby. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! Its definately not most. I didnt know what else to do. Just a thought. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Your email address will not be published. Shannann even said that he was like another person. Please God Forgive me for everything.. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. She even labelled food in her kitchen. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. This was the last time she was seen alive. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Exhausting and she was pregnant. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the So completely terrible. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) Powered by. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. She was relatively YOUNG. > Most do not, really? Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. He found her phone between the cushions. of OCD triggers and symptoms. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. These people cant tell the truth about anything. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. I am by no means defending him. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Chris Watts is a narcissistic cold blooded killer of children and their mother. With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. RIP Angels. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? All but her office. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. Chris is a monster. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . On the police cams you can just see hi. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. C . Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. 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