Time's up. ", And Satan is like, "Well I bet I can change his mind." I got it in front of me, I've just got the data from the Milgram study. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. Science. He just kind of went crazy. And while you're doing that, just give me your finger. But what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. In December of 2001, my father and his colleagues, uh, made the arrest. Gary is dancing around this topic, Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. My father's trying to, like, reach out to him. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. And when hydrogen and nitrogen bond together, the thing you get-. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? Within minutes, the gas reached the allied side. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. ", "Set deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench, you quench with their tears. Radiolab weaves stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. She says, "What happened today?" Yeah. So, he ends up admitting it. Why did you take these women off the streets and want to destroy them? And in the trial, when the prosecutors essentially ask him, "How you came to commit genocide?" I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." That is true. She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." So, they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think, you know, when you are enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, what is greater and what is good? The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. ", Yes I did need to kill. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. And then the final one-. The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. What's the noble cause in this case? The- the last time she- she was in a hurry. Thanks. How many times would they shock that sad-. He's part of the club and he really, really relished it. His calculation showed that it couldn't be done. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. What you know you know. Radiolab is supported by Audible. Time's up. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. That's Fritz Haber's wife. Which is a- a fairly small, you know, a small sort of town. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers, he even schemes against his own wife. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. Hmm. His wife went into hiding. He had snapped. Well, I mean, I know that sir, but I mean, he's up to a 195 volts. "Definitely yes.". He would obscure. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. He believes in me and he trusts me and so much. This is Radio Lab, and today elements. Now that's important, it's very important. Radiolab. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". Now that's important. The participants, you know, they're not- it's not- it's not just blind obedience. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. So, he plans to destroy Othello. He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. Times. Hmm. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. And Haber has an idea. Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he could definitely hear him. They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. Hmm. And what makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? Whatever it is. He says that he's gonna- He's always been hiring people based on how smart they are and not who their grandparents were. And he throws himself at one of the central issues facing Germany at that time. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. Warning. Thanks. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. Only then does God speak up and kind of say like, "You're going to question me? I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. And even though in the end they got him to confess to these 49 murders, they never really get any closer to an answer than this first why. Who are you?". In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. As we continue listening to the Bad Show on human nature in our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Wave, which we mirrors the natural shape of your body, or the Casper mattress with zone support for your hips and shoulders for better alignment. Is that how you say that? But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. So, it's very-. Although once again we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. They're trying to do the right thing. Is that how you say that thing-. This is Radiolab and today we're talking about Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex boyfriend doesn't know that- that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. At high temperature. (beep) God. They couldn't deploy it. I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them, and to someone else, because they want to promote science; well, you can see that's a good thing. Leaving his son alone with his dead mother. They're trying to do the right thing. Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". And I was just astonished-. According to James, he's not the baddest in Shakespeare or in life because ultimately the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. He's a master planner. That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. And my father was recruited to the task force. Many of them after they were murdered. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter-, Killed her. And they go, "Why?" Well that's to [inaudible 00:19:32], just cut it out. Scattered One dead dad. That's radio producer Ben Walker, he'll be our guide for this segment. Thank you Ben. And in January of 1984, the Green River Task Force was formed, and my father was recruited to the task force. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, really bad that's in some of us. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says. Yeah (laughs). And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? I invited him for dinner and as he was in the kitchen looking stupid peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently so that he wouldn't suspect anything. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. I'm good. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. Trim, nice mustache. And-. Yeah, well (laughing). And there behind the German lines is-. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. And to make the problems even more annoying. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. With my arm. What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? All rights reserved. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. He- he loves the fatherland and he loves Germany. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. Read these words. I can't quite place him. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. Okay. Uh, when- when asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60%. plus-circle Add Review. And I- I killed her. And this is was the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and, of course, Hitler's Germany. When you call someone then you're kind of done with them. You walk into the room, what do you find? But he is a large, very strong man with a black belt in karate. "Definitely yes.". The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents to good [inaudible 00:12:29] and plumbers. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". But there's a fellow. Thanks to all our great storytellers, Dan Charles, Sam Kean, Latif Nassar, Fred Kaufman, and Fritz Stern. But 75% of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish. Iago. Yeah, but those are fantasies, they're some of them actually seem like-, Okay, this is a 20 year old female. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. If those two participants refused to go on-, Saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy. Addeddate 2012-10-10 05:15:40 Boxid OL100020610 Identifier wnycs-radiolab_the-bad-show Add Review 4 Views DOWNLOAD OPTIONS 1 file ITEM TILE 4 Files 4 Original And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. Be right back. Fact is if you don't continue, uh, we're going to discontinue the experiment. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. "I'm willing to help in a worthwhile experiment.". He figured maybe one percent of these men would keep flicking the switches, up to the highest voltage. Here it goes. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. They couldn't deploy it, they couldn't deploy it. But if you put two experimenters in the room and-. Quite literally. They continued shocking their corpses. Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. That's what you do. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. Our main story is the haunting tale of a chimp named Lucy. Imagine they really had to administer shocks to themselves or something. That's one of the things we have to know and that's why it's okay to let out. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. No. Under some circumstances we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because" here's another flip "We don't have to be told. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. Was he trying to make a commentary, and so was he grappling with something? Radiolab for Kids Presents: Terrestrials A show where we uncover the strangeness right here on Earth Romeo y Julieta A World Premiere Bilingual Audio Play. 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